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#1 2009-06-26 15:41:30

prizemaster
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Last call for Grand Prize

As of the submission by team "BellKor's Pragmatic Chaos" on June 26, 2009 18:42:37 UTC, the Netflix Prize competition entered the "last call" period for the Grand Prize. In accord with the Rules, teams have thirty (30) days, until July 26, 2009 18:42:37 UTC, to make submissions that will be considered for this Prize. 

Good luck and thank you for participating!

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#2 2009-06-26 15:59:27

DR
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

why can we not see any more beyond place 100 in the Leaderboard?

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#3 2009-06-26 16:25:32

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

Probably cleaning things up for the press coverage. (duplicate names and whatnot).

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#4 2009-06-27 13:03:15

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

"After three (3) months have elapsed from the start of the Contest, when the RMSE of a submitted prediction set on the quiz subset improves beyond the qualifying RMSE an electronic announcement will inform all registered Participants that they have thirty (30) days to submit additional candidate prediction sets to be considered for judging.

At the end of this period, qualifying submissions will be judged (see Judging below) in order of the largest improvement over the qualifying RMSE on the test subset."


This is confusing wording.  What do they mean by 'order of the largest improvement'?  improvement of the so far winning entry?  does that mean they will not even judge anything that does not exceed 10%?  But also, will they at least tell us how we did if we submit.  For example, if somebody is at 9.4%, and they make a submission that gets to 9.9%, I would hope they would be told since that tells them they made some headway and to continue on that path.

can anybody enlighten?

thanks

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#5 2009-06-30 00:23:38

PhanTom
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

I have yet another question:
The rules say: "Contest begins October 2, 2006 and continues through at least October 2, 2011". Does this mean that the contest continues after awarding the grand prize? So there will still be progress prizes? Or does it really all end in a few weeks? Could somebody please answer me asap, because I want to make sure that I am not just wasting time....
Thanks!

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#6 2009-06-30 08:01:12

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

The full description of the Term of the contest states:

The Contest entry period commences on October 2, 2006 (00:00:00 UTC) and continues until the Grand Prize is awarded...

So no, there will be no progress prizes awarded after the Grand Prize.

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#7 2009-07-07 23:27:46

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

I have a question:

After the contest is over and the grand prize has been awarded, are there any plans to keep this site up and running?  In particular, will we still be able to submit our prediction files and see our RMSE?  I know I'd like to continue working on this project as a personal hobby, even if there will be no more prizes, and it would be nice to have a metric of my improvement down the road.

thanks.

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#8 2009-07-10 07:56:31

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

I read where the contest will go on to at least 2011 in the rules.
is this a misprint?
or will it continue after the million dollar prize to see who does best until then?

thanks

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#9 2009-07-10 15:06:30

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

Good King John wrote:

I read where the contest will go on to at least 2011 in the rules.
is this a misprint?
or will it continue after the million dollar prize to see who does best until then?

thanks

Don't worry about it now, just come back next month, and you can get started on it then.  ;-)

CS1

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#10 2009-07-14 01:17:41

vladidas
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

I want to ask the hello_computer's question again:

Will the site be up and running after Jule, 26th?

Will we be able to submit our predictions and continue working on the problem as a hobby?

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#11 2009-07-14 02:40:46

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I would like to reiterate that question too.  still have not had satisfaction with that.  is any moderator around?  I hope Netflix abides by their own rules.  when something says it will run til at least 2011, that means it will run until at least 2011.  if not, that is fraud.

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#12 2009-07-14 10:25:37

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

Mayber there is some misunderstanding somewhere. But from what I understand (and I have said this elsewhere recently), once the prize is won I presume Netflix will publish its solution set. And with this in hand:
1. everyone can continue the contest on their own - forever
2. you can make zillions of 'submissions' per day - no cr/hackers needed
Or did I miss something somewhere?

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#13 2009-07-14 10:44:30

ADifferentName
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

Hi.

I see Good King John's point.  The "Terms and Conditions in a Nutshell" section of the rules does say that the contest will continue until at least October 2, 2011.

If you skip down to the not-in-a-nutshell rules, under "Terms" it says that the contest will continue until the grand prize is awarded. 

If the grand prize is not awarded by October 2, 2011, then Netflix can cancel the contest if it wants to.

My interpretation is that the contest is going to end on July 26th.

Greg

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#14 2009-07-14 15:02:31

Good King John
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

I just wish netflix would be more user friendly.  you know, I called and asked a question of another sort (regarding two usernames, which I did only because I forgot the first one, and never used it) and they told me that they don't know the answer, and that I would have to WRITE to them in California.  they seemed to have overlooked the PR aspect of marketing.

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#15 2009-07-26 18:18:33

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

wow what a whiner... go do crosswords or something. this contest isnt for you.

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#16 2009-07-27 00:48:23

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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

One question.. what happens if neither team achieves >=10% on the verification set? Both teams have had thousands of submissions through which they could have overfit the qualification set and could end up doing poorly on the verification set. If that's the case, does the contest reopen?

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#17 2009-07-27 03:34:35

PragmaticTheory
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Re: Last call for Grand Prize

dpe82 wrote:

One question.. what happens if neither team achieves >=10% on the verification set? Both teams have had thousands of submissions through which they could have overfit the qualification set and could end up doing poorly on the verification set. If that's the case, does the contest reopen?

From the official announcement:

"There are submissions from two teams that meet the minimum requirements for the Grand Prize."

This means both teams achieved 10% on the test set. If no team had achieved 10% on the test set, the contest would have re-opened.

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